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    • #19000
      Mary Beth Skylis
      Moderator

      CBD oil is Federally legally across the United States if it is manufactured in an appropriate manner. As long as THC levels are below 0.03, the government supports the distribution of it. My Dad tried a few different types of CBD oil to see if it would help with issues like muscle stiffness and anxiety. He’s not convinced that it had much of an impact. Have you tired CBD oil? Did you notice a difference? Was there a specific kind of tincture that you used?

    • #19215
      Cemal
      Participant

      I used but nothing happened for better situation. ūüėĒ

    • #19221
      Byron McNaught
      Participant

      I have used CBD oil for about two years. I find that it relaxes my muscles and get rid of the stiffness and soreness. I was getting Botox shots, but the CBD oil works just as well, And it’s considerably cheaper. It also helps me sleep.

    • #19222
      Joel
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      I tried the highest strength of Charlotte’s Web for my relative with late-stage Parkinson’s and dementia. I found that it definitely did *something*‚ÄĒ when we gave it to him in reaction to bad off periods (spasms, pain, etc.) there was about a 50%-60% chance that it would make the spasms go away and completely relax him… but only for about 30 to 45 minutes.

      We also tried a daily dose but could not identify a change in his on-off pattern or in the severity of the off periods. Presumably a higher dose would help (if the bottle contains what it says it contains; gotta be careful about that now in the Amazon era), but it was already many  times the cost of his normal meds for a very limited benefit, so we discontinued it.

      (With apologies for going somewhat off-topic, we later tried TouchPoints, and they have proved more effective at the same goal‚ÄĒinducing muscular relaxation‚ÄĒand way more cost-effective. There’s a thread on them somewhere in these forums.)

    • #19228
      Robert Weber
      Participant

      yes but no results

    • #19264
      Andrew L.
      Participant

      I believe CBD is a placebo unless taken at extremely high and potentially toxic doses. It doesn’t bind to the receptors of the endocannabinoid system. It has been speculated that it may boost your body’s endocannabinoid production, but I don’t buy it. Any non-placebo effects of CBD are mainly from the THC in the oil.

    • #19266
      Joel
      Participant

      I’ve had similar thoughts, that THC (the anecdotal stories of what it might do are very interesting), along with maybe a dose-dependent anti-inflammatory effect (and the general health benefits associated with reduction of inflammation) might be what is really going on with cannabidiol.

      On the latter possibility, it is certainly an old trick of the supplement industry to pump a legit study and, once there is enough excitement about the subject of the study, to push supplements containing far less of the magical ingredient than was used in the study.

    • #19295
      Hector Yturralde
      Participant

      Wife With Parkinson’s takes Greenforia CBD 1000mg Full Spectrum Tincture twice a day under her tongue.¬† She swears by it.¬† It helps with muscle pain and stiffness.¬† She takes one dose in the morning and one at bedtime for sleep.¬† It is very effective for her anxiety which triggers her tremors.

      CBD does not interfere with her meds and her doctor supports her taking it.

      We have learned that the quality of the CBD is very important.  We have tried other brands, even the one mentioned in an earlier post, without desired effects.  The Greenforia brand seems to be of high quality and it is thirds party tested for purity.

      Good luck.

    • #19311
      Mary Beth Skylis
      Moderator

      Andrew- that definitely could be the case. But there’s evidence that suggests that even if you know something is a placebo, it can have positive impacts on your body. For that reason, I like to come up with little tricks for my Dad (diagnosed in 2013).

      “Dad, here’s a miracle shampoo I read about on the internet. It’s supposed to help with tremors.”

      He doesn’t usually buy it. But I think that we should explore the placebo effect a little bit more with PD.

    • #19373
      donboop
      Participant

      My patient family asked for CBD , so I was giving to him when he was getting anxious , but I did not notice any difference in physical or mental behavior ,  maybe was calming effect lil bit

    • #19381
      Hector Yturralde
      Participant

      donboop, you need to realize that not all CBD’s are equal in quality and strengths.¬† You need to find the correct brand that will work for your patient.¬† We have found that the Greenforia CBD Full Spectrum 1000mg works the best.¬† Not only for anxiety for for sore muscles and stiffness.¬† Good luck.

    • #19385
      Andrew L.
      Participant

      Mary- Here is the deal as I see it today (am always learning) after much consultation with respected physicians in the field…THC is not a placebo unlike CBD. Taken in relative “microdoses” (the only way to do this scientifically is with capsules, otherwise the actual ingested dose is guesswork, particularly if smoked), it does decrease anxiety, causes some pain relief (prob not as much as advil but noted nonetheless), and helps with sleep. It is also a mild appetite stimulant. Only other “side effect” is feeling of mild euphoria, which prob gives it addiction potential; however this is certainly better (imo) than Parkinson’s depression/anxiety.¬† Sativa vs. indica prob not an issue at microdoses. Some neurologists be concerned with longer term cognitive impairment, however ¬†studies don’t support this and¬† I don’t think this is a long term problem with the proper dosing . As with any medicine, risks must be weighed versus benefits for each patient. Thus not for everyone, and definitively needs to be done under competent physician supervision. Disclaimer: None of this is medical advice, just sharing what I know.

    • #19387
      Andrew L.
      Participant

      I have also been told that to get a similar effect with CBD one would have to take up to 50x or more CBD than is normally “prescribed” and this is associated with liver toxicity. Stated differently , to get the same beneficial effects using CBD versus micro dosed THC, one would have to take a toxic dose.

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